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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jun 30, 2011 6:35pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: weres' the wall

First off I'd like to wish you and yours a vey happy and safe 4th. Remember there are men and women in places we never should be but someones'got to be the worlds cop force.Enough ,now can anybody w/ knoledge of gear and assorted things know what happened to all that stuff. I've seen them from the die dyed days and the stacking of Fenders way back. As they got bigger and better so did their gear. Phils' toys and Jerry's works of art.Always keep in mind that there was thousands of dollars of drums and gongs up there also. Now when the Wall was happening did all halls that could fit really use all of it. with the break up I've heard so many stories of what happened to the gear You have to remember they had leapfrogging stages one to play ,one being broken down and then one on to the next city. I'm not saying they had triple of everything but still thats' alot of Macs on or behind stage. The best I heard was that some of the gear was given to roadies and team members others were either autioned off or unloaded for pennies on the dollar. That system when finely tuned was probably the best I had heard including Floyds' in thier glory years.If you go on E-BAY these days MacIntosh 2300s make it into the thousands.Just imagine the tunes you could have in your living room. If anyone knows for shure what happened to all that stuff other then what I know please do tell I'm a total gear head and find it a shame that all that stuff is gone to audio heaven.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Jul 1, 2011 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: weres' the wall

I'm sitting on a nice piece of the wall. One of the big single 15" cabinets. I use it as part of my bass rig. I bought it from a guy in Seattle who said he got it from a friend who got it from a roady who got it from Phil. I've looked at one of the old mac 2300's, but I couldn't get my back around a 120lb power amp...

This post was modified by Little Sense on 2011-07-01 16:13:27

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jul 1, 2011 12:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: weres' the wall

my friend had the Mac 2100 which was 105 watts a side and if your into this kind of stuff he also had an Alembic 6sting stereo the John Mcvie style w/ the birds eye maple.For a pre/amp he used a Furman which was also coming into their own at the time.Add that a Moerley pedal,an EchoPlex and some other foot gear. For speakers he bought used Hard Truckers w/ new 15in JBLs and for the other side he used a set of Guass speakers. He was one of the best bass player to not be to well known.As a side bar he did play w/ Robert Hunter as Comfort and were modestley successful. Glad to hear you like the stuff that makes the stuff that comes out of those fingers and throats.Also we took a trip to the warehouse in Marin and the whole tweeter array was in pieces.A sad commentary on the life on the road.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Jun 30, 2011 8:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: weres' the wall

Remember now - the band's finances were quite precarious around that time. They had definitely stretched to afford all that gear, the "family" had grown to outsize proportions, Hart's dad had absconded with some cash, Jerry needed more cash to finance the movie, and they went on hiatus, no touring bonanza... makes sense to sell some gear, right?

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Poster: dead-head_Monte Date: Jul 1, 2011 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: what about electronics workers? Ask Steve Jobs!

Foxconn, best known as a supplier of Apple’s iPhone and iPad, had a huge explosion rock thier Chengdu (China) manufacturing facility on May 20, 2011. Local reports said the explosion occurred in the building where Foxconn keeps Apple's iPad 2 production line. The explosion is understood to have hit the polishing plant, which is at the end of the assembly process. Foxconn representatives have confirmed two deaths and 16 injuries from the incident, with three of the injuries reported as serious.

The $2bn (£1.2bn) laptop-producing plant where the explosion took place opened in October (2010). According to Chinese reports, police in Chengdu said their preliminary conclusion was that the explosion wasn’t caused intentionally. Foxconn has already come under pressure in the past 18 months, after more than 13 factory workers committed suicide. Critics say the company’s employees are subjected to harsh working conditions, long hours and low pay.

Foxconn is the world's largest maker of computer components and produces items for Apple, Dell, Hewlett-Packard,Sony and Nokia. It employs about 1 million people in China, about half of them based in its main facility in the southern city of Shenzhen. Foxconn has been expanding its workforce into other parts of China as it seeks to scale back the size of its Shenzhen plant.

I am 60 years old. I taped the GD numerous times in 1973. The GD used Ampex audio tape decks many times to record their SBDs, albums, and other commercial releases. I also taped many other bands and worked as a soundman. After that I worked for Ampex for 6 years. I worked over 30 years in electronics. Ampex invented the videotape recorder in 1955.

Alembic developed and produced much of the equipment that was used in the Wall of Sound. Ron Wickersham, one of Alembic's founders, worked previously as an audio engineer for Ampex.

To the very best of my knowledge:

a) Ampex never had any explosions in their main Audio-Video Systems Division factory in Colorado Springs. Ampex workers were not getting killed there on the job. This plant operated in Colorado for many years during the '70s, '80s, and '90s. I worked there for 3 years. Ampex workers were not severely stressed out and subjected to harsh working conditions. In fact, no Ampex workers ever committed suicide due to these reasons.

b) Alembic never had any explosions in their main facility. Alembic workers are not getting killed there on the job, nor have I ever heard of any of them committing suicide due to being subjected to harsh working conditions.

hey Apple (HP and Dell): Blow Me! Steve Jobs is a murderer and a traitor! Apple is guilty of Crimes Against Humanity. This is Treason to electronics workers in America and elsewhere.

This post was modified by dead-head_Monte on 2011-07-01 19:03:37

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Poster: Jim F Date: Jun 30, 2011 10:46pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: weres' the wall

Yeah I've always heard that they cannibalized it and sold it off in pieces. I think like the Airplane or Starship or whatever used a couple pieces of it as their entire PA system. Surely broken down, the thing could have supplied a number of bands or venues with an effective PA. Hell the last time I saw Furthur, their system looked like maybe 1/10 of The Wall.

It really is amazing that they pulled off such overkill. And as someone said, during a period of touring hiatus which included a movie that hemmorhaged money, Hal Kant ripping them off, the simultaneous collapsing record company experiment, etc., surely the proceeds from the WOS are what kept the band financially "afloat," relatively speaking.

Ironically enough, they never really recovered from the series of very bad decisions (financially, anyway, I wouldn't at all call the WOS a bad decision, as it was the greatest sound system that ever existed) made by the band beginning in 1970 or so, until the In the Dark popularity of 87. And by that point, once they finally got their finances together and became the largest grossing touring act out there, they probably should have stopped touring anyway. From what I've read, it seems like deep down at that time they wanted to streamline their operation and take a break, but just didn't have the heart to lay off so many employees who depended on the band's touring. Though that's only a part of it, even if the Grateful Dead had taken a break, there was still the Garcia band aspect of things, which was also a huge obligation on Jerry, who was really stuck in an unfortunate spot of having two bands fighting for his time and energy. At any rate, it's sortof bittersweet that they've finally managed to get most things right, ie releasing live recordings, successful but not overwhelming touring, merchandising, cutting overhead, etc.

By the early 90's, they probably could have maintained a pretty good income simply off live recording sales and merchandising, at the least being able to afford taking another hiatus a la 1974. If anything, the 90's might perhaps have been the last great era to really capitalize on that, before the internet made digital trading what it is. Of course I would bet that 99% of the people reading this are probably the ones who have a Miller source and a couple OCD sources for any given show that gets released and will still purchase the official release.

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